I oftentimes hear people say something to the effect of, “I’ve explored terrain theory, but I just don’t believe it.”The Way Forward with Alec Zeck is a reader-supported publication.
Hi Alex, I do follow the terrain model and have done for nearly 3 years now, since I started looking into it. I also follow Jeff Green, not to be awkward, but because I stumbled across the No Virus team and Jeff at the same time. Its a shame their is so much beef between both camps as I feel you have so much more in common than that which divides. I'm not blaming anyone and don't know the full depth of what's been said between the camps. To me, in the time we are in, the fight must be against the contagion lie, which you both both seem to agree on.
The problem I have with Jeff Green's claims, despite him being sort of close to the Terrain model, is that every mistake in the argument will be used against us. Every disclarity limits how far the ring of understanders expands. You'll have people googling stuff and finding a complete lack of evidence that "viruses" are solvents or whatever and then many will go running back to the mainstream.
We don't have the luxury of being imprecise or "big tent" in terms of criticisms of the mainstream. All pseudoscience has to be rejected; the scientific evidence must always be demanded for all positive claims, and Green makes several big positive claims.
As someone who is not completely wedded to anything except perhaps informed consent, ability to seek out other opinions, and choose for myself, please explain reasons for how a family experiences the same very specific symptoms in a short amount of time, and the same specific sickness appears to be "spread" to others in close contact. Also, isn't it possible to believe in both germs and the terrain model? I'm open-minded, but there's a difference between being brought into a cage and born into a cage, so a little slack and patience -knowing each person has varied time available to dedicate to the topic when there are many issues to address these days - would be appreciated. Also, how similar is this question of whether viruses exist to the question of whether electrons exist?
I find all these mentioned things to be SO EXCITING. I wanna go and study them, but right now I yam fighting to stay/get employed. Oh, virus, where is thy teef? I forgot, they ain't no teef, ha har harf!
This topic is covered by various of the No virus / contagion educators.
To answer this you would need to review each situation to look at possible environmental causes: food, diet, season change, chemical/ poison exposure , emf exposure, stress levels etc.
Observing people getting sick at the same time is an epidemiological observation and not evidence that it was caused by a contagion.
Thank you for your response. I am not negating at all the presence of the other factors you mention.
Am I correct in saying that the "no contagion" community believes people cannot pass on things to each other, for example: protein shedding or bacterial infection? Or, is this discussion limited to "no virus" alone?
There have been many studies attempting to show contagion, and by and large all of them fail, but I think contagion does exist and must exist, simply because of suggestibility. Yawns are contagious, and so is throwing up. If we need a detox and someone is in our "tribe" is detoxing in a way that hits us viscerally when we see it, that could well trigger our body to conclude that now is the time.
The reason I think contagion studies fail is that they are pairing off strangers and doing things like spraying mucous on people's faces and such. It doesn't work that way; it's social and requires some sense of tribal affiliation - friend, family, coworker, teammate, classmate, colleague.
If you were to even *video chat* with a friend or family member who is harrowingly ill with the flu or chicken pox, and you focus in on their pallid appearance and wretched voice, you can feel that sort of sick feeling for a moment, right? If a flu or pox were a bad thing, then yes this mechanism would make no sense, but if they're actually a very good thing, but of course an inconvenient thing with sensitive timing, then it would make sense. The best time to detox is when you wouldn't be the lone sickly freak, you wouldn't be the only one to miss out on the Big Hunt, etc.
Spreading is not the same as contagion. Butter, ideas, fashion trends, hearsay, emotions, ideologies, feelings, information, electromagnetics fields all spread - but no 'viruses' or bacteria are involved.
If disease is caused by a combination of environmental stressors, state of mind, emotions, ideas (information), beliefs etc then we would EXPECT disease to spread and / or occur simultaneously in the same area.
The problem is the automatic association between 'spreading' (or occurring simultaneously) and contagion (germ theory). Spreading and contagion are not synonyms.
People tend to be HEALTHY together. Being around healthy people tends to push you towards a state of good health. Copying the mindset and lifestyles of healthy people tends to promote health. Sharing good health advice tends to provoke an 'outbreak' of good health among those exposed to this information. Times of plenty (varied diet, good nutrition etc) with a lack of natural disasters (comet impacts, volcanoes, earthquakes etc) also promotes good health for all.
These are just some of the ways that good health spreads. But none of them involve contagion. There are hundreds of ways good health is spread. And there are hundreds of ways disease is spread. In every case the mechanism's can be broken down to a spread of information and energy (either life sustaining or life destroying).
When you actually dive into the terrain model you realise it is actually the germ theorists and their obsession with contagion who deny those hundreds of mechanisms for the spread of disease. The contagion superstition is itself a way to 'block' all of those other mechanisms of spreading from being considered - especially environmental factors (industrial pollution) that would point the finger of blame at Big Industry for most of of history's disease epidemics (from DDT to EMF).
With the question of time, there are so many nonsensical pieces being pushed forward around contagion right now. That maybe instead of having to believe anything just notice what makes sense. I was trying to read a piece of Mike Stone's recently where he covers what is being pushed forward around a healthy asymptomatic person being a carrier of disease. It was so utterly absurd it put my brain in a twist. If these ideas are readily accepted by most 'we' will be prey for any agenda of disease to push forward an intervention.
Which causes us to not look at the pieces that are actually of issue. What has changed in our environment, toxins we are exposed to, increased levels of radiation etc. etc.
It also causes us, at times, to fear our bodies (a piece that is pushed forward in many ways). And it causes us to treat the disease with interventions that are actually at the root of what is harming us.
You don't need to be a deep diver to understand this.
It doesn't even need to be an intellectual exercise. More of a deep listening to one's own body.
I think the conversation is unnecessarily complicated.
I also think the amount of fear being pushed forward, from every direction, is what is hard to digest, quite literally.
>Also, isn't it possible to believe in both germs and the terrain model?
Germ theory + Terrain model = Germ theory
That is, the mainstream already agrees that one's diet and lifestyle affect your susceptibility to germs, via their concept of "the immune system."
>explain reasons for how a family experiences the same very specific symptoms in a short amount of time, and the same specific sickness appears to be "spread" to others in close contact.
This isn't necessary to explain in order to understand the problems with virology, but there are also good explanations in my opinion: besides the obvious explanation of shared environment, including seasonal effects and similar diets and toxin exposures, there is also just the fact that we are highly suggestible. If we even imagine ourselves to be coming down with a flu, that can be enough to have it happen, so when we viscerally react to someone we know looking and sounding all sickened, and maybe smelling sick, that would work similarly. Yawns and barfing are contagious -- if we need them -- and the same is true with flus and poxes.
The important hypothesis in the Terrain model is that flus and poxes are powerful detox processes done on purpose by the body. There's no way to prove this other than to track how you feel before and after. Everyone I have had fast and only drink water while resting in bed with the flu until it's over has experienced a brand new lease on life. They feel better than they have in years, and the health upgrades lasts a long time.
When you see how powerful these detoxes are, yet how tribally and personally inconvenient and harrowing they are, the reason for people to coordinate on the timing of them isn't so mysterious. Especially in a nomadic tribe it would be disastrous to have to have the tribe stop and wait for a week every time someone in their 100 or so members got ill. They could be grounded the whole year! Much better to get most of the detoxes done in a single week of the year and be mobile the rest of the year.
>how similar is this question of whether viruses exist to the question of whether electrons exist?
Very similar in some ways: in both cases the evidence for their existence is extremely indirect. But at least electrons represent something theoretically that actually has to do with something that happens -- the flow of electricity and the like. For "viruses" the evidence is almost mindbogglingly indirect yet it doesn't link up remotely well with any actual phenomenon in the body.
Before I looked into it, I imagined virologists have videos of viruses going into cells in the human body and turning them into little virus factories. Turns out they don't even have any *pictures* of these particles in the human body. They only have pictures from petri dishes, where a human sample (mucous, semen, etc.) was added to various cell lines (often monkey kidney cells), fetal cow serum, and antibiotics. The cells dying is typically taken as proof that "a virus was in there." And then the whole thing is stained, dehydrated, and encased in resin for electron microscopy. The pictures they have from that look very suspiciously like typical cellular breakdown products, and nephrologists have tapped virologists on the shoulder a couple of times through the years to point this out in detailed journal articles.
These are just a few examples of the many generous assumptions one has to make to buy into what they're selling. I think I counted over 100 links in their chain of causality that all would have to be rock-solid for the theory to work, and I don't buy a single one.
So as the post you are commenting on suggests you have actually explored at least some of the material listed above and expanded your own perspective right so you don't need anyone else to think for you, right 👍great 😃 so how would you apply that knowledge and build your own theory of how that happens in a terrain mode?
If it helps imagine you are writing a screen play or orher world novel in which the terrain model IS the reality. You cannot apply your current world beliefs in this other world or your play or novel will be rejected, that's not the job. Now in your terrain model world how would that happen? If you need more information concepts or ideas to create the reality then gather it. I'll be looking back for what you came up with.
The 'germ' idea promoters have an inconvenient fact - the masses who have 'germs' inside them but don't get sick. Asymptomatic masses was a feature of 'Covid'. OK, not an inconvenient fact from the angle of case numbers as a fear tactic (enabled by the testing sham). Nether-the-less , will 'germ' promoters have to talk about the terrain model as explaining the asymptomatic 'pandemic' !
65% of the sources listed read by me previously and all are plausible. I am not yet full Bailey but open minded. Meanwhile, I identify as a cockroach immune or resistant to whatever filth I expose my terrain to. Not dead yet, will be one day.
or very simply, if either adequate Vitamin D, or a Whole Foods Plant-Based diet reduce the risk of moderate to severe Covid outcomes (83% and 80% risk reduction respectively), that means nutrition status is a major determinant. The terrain... etc.
I can’t believe you put Emoto in the same sentence as Hillman. He lied about his education and results. He was on to something but never proved anything.
Hi Alex, I do follow the terrain model and have done for nearly 3 years now, since I started looking into it. I also follow Jeff Green, not to be awkward, but because I stumbled across the No Virus team and Jeff at the same time. Its a shame their is so much beef between both camps as I feel you have so much more in common than that which divides. I'm not blaming anyone and don't know the full depth of what's been said between the camps. To me, in the time we are in, the fight must be against the contagion lie, which you both both seem to agree on.
The problem I have with Jeff Green's claims, despite him being sort of close to the Terrain model, is that every mistake in the argument will be used against us. Every disclarity limits how far the ring of understanders expands. You'll have people googling stuff and finding a complete lack of evidence that "viruses" are solvents or whatever and then many will go running back to the mainstream.
We don't have the luxury of being imprecise or "big tent" in terms of criticisms of the mainstream. All pseudoscience has to be rejected; the scientific evidence must always be demanded for all positive claims, and Green makes several big positive claims.
As someone who is not completely wedded to anything except perhaps informed consent, ability to seek out other opinions, and choose for myself, please explain reasons for how a family experiences the same very specific symptoms in a short amount of time, and the same specific sickness appears to be "spread" to others in close contact. Also, isn't it possible to believe in both germs and the terrain model? I'm open-minded, but there's a difference between being brought into a cage and born into a cage, so a little slack and patience -knowing each person has varied time available to dedicate to the topic when there are many issues to address these days - would be appreciated. Also, how similar is this question of whether viruses exist to the question of whether electrons exist?
We cover this extensively during TheEndofCovid.com in multiple sessions:
COVID psychosomatics, what if my body is brilliant?, beyond contagion dogma, German new medicine, the human biofield, the mystery of water
I find all these mentioned things to be SO EXCITING. I wanna go and study them, but right now I yam fighting to stay/get employed. Oh, virus, where is thy teef? I forgot, they ain't no teef, ha har harf!
xo
This topic is covered by various of the No virus / contagion educators.
To answer this you would need to review each situation to look at possible environmental causes: food, diet, season change, chemical/ poison exposure , emf exposure, stress levels etc.
Observing people getting sick at the same time is an epidemiological observation and not evidence that it was caused by a contagion.
Thank you for your response. I am not negating at all the presence of the other factors you mention.
Am I correct in saying that the "no contagion" community believes people cannot pass on things to each other, for example: protein shedding or bacterial infection? Or, is this discussion limited to "no virus" alone?
There have been many studies attempting to show contagion, and by and large all of them fail, but I think contagion does exist and must exist, simply because of suggestibility. Yawns are contagious, and so is throwing up. If we need a detox and someone is in our "tribe" is detoxing in a way that hits us viscerally when we see it, that could well trigger our body to conclude that now is the time.
The reason I think contagion studies fail is that they are pairing off strangers and doing things like spraying mucous on people's faces and such. It doesn't work that way; it's social and requires some sense of tribal affiliation - friend, family, coworker, teammate, classmate, colleague.
If you were to even *video chat* with a friend or family member who is harrowingly ill with the flu or chicken pox, and you focus in on their pallid appearance and wretched voice, you can feel that sort of sick feeling for a moment, right? If a flu or pox were a bad thing, then yes this mechanism would make no sense, but if they're actually a very good thing, but of course an inconvenient thing with sensitive timing, then it would make sense. The best time to detox is when you wouldn't be the lone sickly freak, you wouldn't be the only one to miss out on the Big Hunt, etc.
What a smart theory. 6es, yawns are contagious!
Of course such thing may be possible and has yet to be proven in any studies.
I do believe shedding from the vaxxed. I suspect it is the biofield/ exosomes..but im keeping an open mind
Spreading is not the same as contagion. Butter, ideas, fashion trends, hearsay, emotions, ideologies, feelings, information, electromagnetics fields all spread - but no 'viruses' or bacteria are involved.
If disease is caused by a combination of environmental stressors, state of mind, emotions, ideas (information), beliefs etc then we would EXPECT disease to spread and / or occur simultaneously in the same area.
The problem is the automatic association between 'spreading' (or occurring simultaneously) and contagion (germ theory). Spreading and contagion are not synonyms.
People tend to be HEALTHY together. Being around healthy people tends to push you towards a state of good health. Copying the mindset and lifestyles of healthy people tends to promote health. Sharing good health advice tends to provoke an 'outbreak' of good health among those exposed to this information. Times of plenty (varied diet, good nutrition etc) with a lack of natural disasters (comet impacts, volcanoes, earthquakes etc) also promotes good health for all.
These are just some of the ways that good health spreads. But none of them involve contagion. There are hundreds of ways good health is spread. And there are hundreds of ways disease is spread. In every case the mechanism's can be broken down to a spread of information and energy (either life sustaining or life destroying).
When you actually dive into the terrain model you realise it is actually the germ theorists and their obsession with contagion who deny those hundreds of mechanisms for the spread of disease. The contagion superstition is itself a way to 'block' all of those other mechanisms of spreading from being considered - especially environmental factors (industrial pollution) that would point the finger of blame at Big Industry for most of of history's disease epidemics (from DDT to EMF).
Thank you for your response.
I agree with similar household characteristics, for example, I am not even sure if anyone in my four-person household ever had covid or ever will. - https://leemuller.substack.com/p/did-you-avoid-getting-covid-asks
Has the null hypothesis - viruses do not exist - ever been proven?
It's impossible to prove unicorns don't exist. Rather we can only await evidence that they do exist.
I recommend reading/listening to Mark Gober’s published works for insight.
How can you prove a negative? I saw the Grinch on TV every year when I was younger. So I guess he exists.
With the question of time, there are so many nonsensical pieces being pushed forward around contagion right now. That maybe instead of having to believe anything just notice what makes sense. I was trying to read a piece of Mike Stone's recently where he covers what is being pushed forward around a healthy asymptomatic person being a carrier of disease. It was so utterly absurd it put my brain in a twist. If these ideas are readily accepted by most 'we' will be prey for any agenda of disease to push forward an intervention.
Which causes us to not look at the pieces that are actually of issue. What has changed in our environment, toxins we are exposed to, increased levels of radiation etc. etc.
It also causes us, at times, to fear our bodies (a piece that is pushed forward in many ways). And it causes us to treat the disease with interventions that are actually at the root of what is harming us.
You don't need to be a deep diver to understand this.
It doesn't even need to be an intellectual exercise. More of a deep listening to one's own body.
I think the conversation is unnecessarily complicated.
I also think the amount of fear being pushed forward, from every direction, is what is hard to digest, quite literally.
>Also, isn't it possible to believe in both germs and the terrain model?
Germ theory + Terrain model = Germ theory
That is, the mainstream already agrees that one's diet and lifestyle affect your susceptibility to germs, via their concept of "the immune system."
>explain reasons for how a family experiences the same very specific symptoms in a short amount of time, and the same specific sickness appears to be "spread" to others in close contact.
This isn't necessary to explain in order to understand the problems with virology, but there are also good explanations in my opinion: besides the obvious explanation of shared environment, including seasonal effects and similar diets and toxin exposures, there is also just the fact that we are highly suggestible. If we even imagine ourselves to be coming down with a flu, that can be enough to have it happen, so when we viscerally react to someone we know looking and sounding all sickened, and maybe smelling sick, that would work similarly. Yawns and barfing are contagious -- if we need them -- and the same is true with flus and poxes.
The important hypothesis in the Terrain model is that flus and poxes are powerful detox processes done on purpose by the body. There's no way to prove this other than to track how you feel before and after. Everyone I have had fast and only drink water while resting in bed with the flu until it's over has experienced a brand new lease on life. They feel better than they have in years, and the health upgrades lasts a long time.
When you see how powerful these detoxes are, yet how tribally and personally inconvenient and harrowing they are, the reason for people to coordinate on the timing of them isn't so mysterious. Especially in a nomadic tribe it would be disastrous to have to have the tribe stop and wait for a week every time someone in their 100 or so members got ill. They could be grounded the whole year! Much better to get most of the detoxes done in a single week of the year and be mobile the rest of the year.
>how similar is this question of whether viruses exist to the question of whether electrons exist?
Very similar in some ways: in both cases the evidence for their existence is extremely indirect. But at least electrons represent something theoretically that actually has to do with something that happens -- the flow of electricity and the like. For "viruses" the evidence is almost mindbogglingly indirect yet it doesn't link up remotely well with any actual phenomenon in the body.
Before I looked into it, I imagined virologists have videos of viruses going into cells in the human body and turning them into little virus factories. Turns out they don't even have any *pictures* of these particles in the human body. They only have pictures from petri dishes, where a human sample (mucous, semen, etc.) was added to various cell lines (often monkey kidney cells), fetal cow serum, and antibiotics. The cells dying is typically taken as proof that "a virus was in there." And then the whole thing is stained, dehydrated, and encased in resin for electron microscopy. The pictures they have from that look very suspiciously like typical cellular breakdown products, and nephrologists have tapped virologists on the shoulder a couple of times through the years to point this out in detailed journal articles.
These are just a few examples of the many generous assumptions one has to make to buy into what they're selling. I think I counted over 100 links in their chain of causality that all would have to be rock-solid for the theory to work, and I don't buy a single one.
Invest in Hulda Clark’s THE CURE FOR ALL DISEASES.
So as the post you are commenting on suggests you have actually explored at least some of the material listed above and expanded your own perspective right so you don't need anyone else to think for you, right 👍great 😃 so how would you apply that knowledge and build your own theory of how that happens in a terrain mode?
If it helps imagine you are writing a screen play or orher world novel in which the terrain model IS the reality. You cannot apply your current world beliefs in this other world or your play or novel will be rejected, that's not the job. Now in your terrain model world how would that happen? If you need more information concepts or ideas to create the reality then gather it. I'll be looking back for what you came up with.
The terrainium reflects that which inhabits the cranium.
.
I Am Going To
Trust My Gut
On This One.
.
The 'germ' idea promoters have an inconvenient fact - the masses who have 'germs' inside them but don't get sick. Asymptomatic masses was a feature of 'Covid'. OK, not an inconvenient fact from the angle of case numbers as a fear tactic (enabled by the testing sham). Nether-the-less , will 'germ' promoters have to talk about the terrain model as explaining the asymptomatic 'pandemic' !
65% of the sources listed read by me previously and all are plausible. I am not yet full Bailey but open minded. Meanwhile, I identify as a cockroach immune or resistant to whatever filth I expose my terrain to. Not dead yet, will be one day.
or very simply, if either adequate Vitamin D, or a Whole Foods Plant-Based diet reduce the risk of moderate to severe Covid outcomes (83% and 80% risk reduction respectively), that means nutrition status is a major determinant. The terrain... etc.
“Covid outcomes” ? What is COVID?
There is no covid and plants Arent food
Nail-o-rama, Alec.
You rock, rock, rock, and fangks very mush, lub ya.
Keep it up! Woof!
I can’t believe you put Emoto in the same sentence as Hillman. He lied about his education and results. He was on to something but never proved anything.
I would rather Emoto not be there as well.
Thank you
Well said Alec.
I do.
I love this
What is herpes?
Covid was not a virus, but it was a bio-weapon.
great post